“Tens of Thousands of Pages,” Part 4

“…of making many books there is no end…” — Ecclesiastes 12:12

As we continue in our analysis of the genuine works of Ignatius of Antioch (d. 107 AD), we focus this week on the Roman Catholic claim that Roman Primacy can be found in his letters. In this series we have been assessing the claims of Mr. Joshua T. Charles, a former Protestant who converted to Roman Catholicism because Ignatius of Antioch “red pilled” him into the truth. Mr. Charles, repeatedly claims to have read “tens of thousands of pages” of the Early Church Fathers, finding Roman Catholicism “absolutely everywhere.” He was particularly surprised to find “profoundly [Roman] Catholic doctrine” in Ignatius’ letters, “point by point,” which “was apparent in just seven short letters.”

Of the 10 points he listed, we have covered five so far — the sacrifice of the Eucharist, the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist in Part 2, and the New Testament priesthood, Episcopal Succession and Episcopal Authority in Part 3. As we demonstrated last week, because of Mr. Charles’ approach he finds more in Ignatius than Ignatius actually wrote, and indeed much more than even Mr. Charles bargained for. He claimed that Ignatius described a New Testament priesthood composed “primarily” of bishops based on Luke 10:16 — “He who hears you, hears me” — but we found that Mr. Charles had relied on the longer Greek recension of Ignatius’ letters, a recension the Catholic Encyclopedia denies to be authentic. Only the shorter recension is considered genuine, and those genuine letters do not apply Luke 10:16 to the Apostles. In fact, Luke 10:16 was spoken not to the Twelve but to the Seventy. Thus, anyone who claims to have found a succession of apostolic priests based on Luke 10:16 has completely misunderstood the verse, and anyone who claims to have found that construct in Ignatius is reading something he did not write. In fact, if we were to take Mr. Charles’ approach seriously, we would have found in the longer recension not only an unending line of priests that succeeded from the Seventy, but also an unending line of priests that succeeded from the Seven (Acts 6:1–8), since Ignatius is quite clear that he believed the Deacons had been “entrusted with the ministry of Jesus Christ” (to the Magnesians 6) and “the mysteries of Jesus Christ” (to the Trallians 2). And Jesus’ ministry is both priestly and prophetic.

This week we continue with the eighth point Mr. Charles found in Ignatius:

8. The Church of Rome has greater authority than other churches;

Mr. Charles makes his argument for Roman Primacy from Ignatius under the heading The Roman Finale, the 10th entry in his Becoming Catholic series, the fifth on the topic of Ignatius. In that entry, he writes,

Ignatius of Antioch had an exceptionally high view of Church authority, and the obedience owed to the hierarchical priesthood by lay Christians. This trend continues in his Epistle to the Romans. What is most important about this epistle is that Ignatius speaks to the Roman church in ways he never speaks to any of the other churches.

As we demonstrated last week, however, if we are to use the formula “Ignatius speaks to X in ways he never speaks to Y” or “Ignatius says of X what he never says of Y,” we shall entangle ourselves in a knot of superlatives from which we cannot be extracted. Ignatius said “deacons …  are entrusted with the ministry ” (to the Magnesians, 6) and “the mysteries of Jesus Christ” (to the Trallians 2). But he never says that of “the bishops.” What are we to conclude from this? That the deacons are our priests and that Jesus had entrusted His perpetual sacrificial ministry to an infallible line of successors from the Deacons? And why not? After all, when the Twelve were all present in Jerusalem (Acts 6:2), it was not Peter, but Stephen, who had the leaders of the synagogue tangled in knots:

Then there arose certain of the synagogue  … disputing with Stephen. And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake. (Acts 6:9-10)

What else can we conclude then? Ignatius spoke of Deacons in a way that he never spoke of Bishops. See? Diaconal succession.

The Roman Primacy Premise

“If Ignatius addresses X in a different way than he addresses Y it is because he thought X was more special than Y” is in fact a very silly, and easily falsifiable syllogism, but it is the very silliness upon which Mr. Charles constructs his argument for Roman Primacy from Ignatius. We shall interact with his claims, one by one, which for convenience we have enumerated, below. But as we progress through his arguments, remember the Roman Premise: “If Ignatius speaks to [X] in ways he never speaks to [Y] … .” Using that premise alone we shall establish the primacy of every church in Asia Minor.

1. Ignatius’ greeting to the Roman church is easily the longest greeting of any of his letters.

Until we read Mr. Charles, we were not aware that word counts were an indication of primacy. Ignatius’ letter to the Ephesians is the longest letter he wrote (2,808 words in English, a thousand more than he wrote to Rome). And it is not the letter to Rome, but to Polycarp, that boasts the longest conclusion (183 words in English vs. 128 to Rome). What are we to make of these except that Ephesus and Smyrna have greater claims to primacy than Rome? After all, based on a standard Mr. Charles has proposed, Ignatius speaks to these churches in ways he does not speak to the others. The longer the letter, or the longer the conclusion, the greater the primacy. And why not? Higher word counts indicate primacy. Mr. Charles insists on it.

2. In [his letter to the Romans], he says several things about the Roman church that he doesn’t say about any other. For example, He says she is “enlightened” by God’s will.

The patient reader is invited to consider this statement from Ignatius’ letter to the Romans:

“Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church … which is beloved and enlightened by the will of Him that wills all things which are according to the love of Jesus Christ…” (To the Romans, Greeting)

What are we to make of this? Rome is “enlightened” by God’s will, and Ignatius bestows such praise on no other church. According to the same letter, God’s will is defined as “all things which are according to the love of Jesus Christ.” But as Ignatius continues in his letter, he argues that their “love” is the very problem, imploring them to act according to their “enlightened” knowledge, and to stop hating him by trying to prevent his martyrdom:

“For I am afraid of your love, lest it should do me an injury … If I shall suffer [execution], you have wished [well] to me; but if I am rejected [by the executioner], you have hated me.” (To the Romans, 1 & 8)

Although the Roman church was allegedly “enlightened” by God’s will, Ignatius kept on asking them to stop trying to prevent his execution. “Jesus Christ will reveal these things to you,” Ignatius tells them, so they will know “that I speak truly” (to the Romans, 8). They thought they were loving him, but he insists emphatically that if they continue on their current path, they are actually hating him. So, if Ignatius really believed the Roman congregation was “enlightened” by God’s will, why keep arguing against them? Why tell them that Jesus will reveal the truth if they just listen to what he is saying? Why not simply leave his fate in the hands of the well-wishing and “enlightened” congregation rather than trying to talk them out of what they clearly desire? Instead he instructs the Roman congregation to shift the focus of their prayers, pay attention to Jesus, and align themselves with Ignatius’ desired outcome: his own martyrdom:

“Pray, then, do not seek to confer any greater favour upon me than that I be sacrificed to God while the altar is still prepared;” (To the Romans, 2). 

“Pray for me, that I may attain [the object of my desire]” (To the Romans, 8).

Rome might have been “enlightened” by the will of God, but not so “enlightened” that they knew what to pray for. Ignatius had to spell it out for them. That is the extent of their “enlightenment.”

Ephesus, on the other hand, needed no such correction. In fact, Ignatius praised them for praying correctly, “trusting through your prayers to be permitted to fight with beasts at Rome” (to the Ephesians, 1). Unlike the Romans, the Ephesians were praying the right things. So properly aligned with God’s will were the Ephesian saints that he praised them for “certainly living in accordance with God’s will” (To the Ephesians, 8). What can we conclude from this except that the Romans and the Ephesians were both aware of “God’s will,” but only the Ephesians were living in accordance with it. That is faint praise for the Romans, and extravagant praise for the Ephesians, a praise he lavishes on no other congregation!

There are therefore only three options available to us here: first, to conclude that Ignatius did not really believe Rome was “enlightened” by God who “wills all things which are according to … love,” since they were hating him in their prayers; or second, to conclude that Ignatius believed they were “enlightened” by God’s will but that they were being carnal and obstinate in their resistance to it, acting inconsistently with what they knew very well to be true. Neither option casts either Rome or Ignatius in a positive light.

But there is a third option, obvious to anyone who has actually read Ignatius’ letters: he addressed all congregations with such flowery, magnanimous, superlative puffery that we cannot possibly read any more into his superlatives than his earnest affection for everyone to whom he wrote. In fact, that is our only option here, an option that has completely escaped Mr. Charles’ notice in the “tens of thousands of pages” he has read. Barring that realization, Mr. Charles must now repent of his belief in Roman primacy and conclude instead that Ephesus, not Rome, was the truly “enlightened” church, for that church not only knew God’s will, but “certainly” lived according to it.

3. She is the only one he speaks of “presiding” anywhere.

The patient reader’s attention is now invited to Ignatius’ statement on the presidency of the Roman church:

“Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church …  which also presides in the place of the region of the Romans …” (To the Romans, Greeting)

What are we to make of this? Even Mr. Charles acknowledges that it “is not absolutely conclusive” what Ignatius means here. Did he mean “the Roman church rules in the area of Rome”? Or maybe “that she presides over the whole Church from Rome”? Given the fact that each bishop is said to be the “president” over his own congregation (Justin Martyr, First Apology 65, 67), we suspect that Ignatius means that he is writing to the church in Rome. And while it is indeed true that the Roman church is the only one “he speaks of ‘presiding’ anywhere” as a congregation, it is not the only church he speaks of “‘presiding’ anywhere.”

Of the Magnesians, Ignatius says their bishop “presides” in the place of God, and its presbyters preside in place “of the apostles”:

“… your bishop presides in the place of God, and your presbyters in the place of the assembly of the apostles, along with your deacons” (to the Magnesians, 6).

Since Mr. Charles’ argument for Roman primacy is intended to show the primacy of the Roman bishop, then we can at least agree that Ignatius means that the Roman bishop “presides in the place of the region of the Romans.”

So now we must ask a rather important question. Which bishop “presides” supremely?  He who “presides in the place of the region of the Romans,” or he who “presides in the place of God” as the Magnesian bishop did? Surely it is greater to preside “in the place of God” than “in the place of the region of the Romans.” Surely, God is greater than “the region of the Romans.” Unless Mr. Charles has some special knowledge of which we are not aware, we shall maintain that God is greater than “the region of the Romans.”

And what of the presbyters there? Which presbytery presides supremely?  That which presides “in the place of the region of the Romans,” or that which presides “in the place of the assembly of the apostles” as the presbyters of Magnesia did? Surely it is greater to preside “in the place of the assembly of the apostles” than “in the place of the region of the Romans.” Surely

If Mr. Charles is going to argue that “presiding in a place” is evidence of universal primacy, then he can do no better than the Magnesians whose bishop “presides in the place of God” and whose presbyters preside in the place of the Apostles. We are at a loss to imagine a higher authority. If Mr. Charles knows of an authority greater than God and His Apostles, we hope he will kindly let us know. Until then, we look forward to hearing of Mr. Charles’ conversion to the Magnesian Catholic Church, because Ignatius spoke in a very unique way about it — in fact, in a way that he did not address any other congregation.

Of course, maybe there is another option: to accept that Ignatius described them all in such flowery, magnanimous and superlative language that we cannot possibly read any more into it than his earnest affection.

4. He consistently speaks of the Roman church as “worthy” and “honorable,” terms he applies to no other church.

It is at this point that we wonder if Mr. Charles has abandoned both the shorter and the longer recensions altogether and has begun to read from his own imaginary recension. Consider the following statements by Ignatius in his genuine letters to other churches about how “worthy” they are:

“He … has granted unto you, being worthy, to obtain such an excellent bishop.” (to the Ephesians, 1)

“your justly renowned presbytery [is] worthy of God.” (to the Ephesians, 4)

“to the holy Church which is at Tralles, in Asia, beloved of God, the Father of Jesus Christ, elect, and worthy of God.” (to the Trallians, greeting)

“… to the Church of God the Father, and of the beloved Jesus Christ, which has through mercy obtained every kind of gift, which is filled with faith and love, and is deficient in no gift, most worthy of God.” (to the Smyrnæans, greeting)

“Let all things, then, abound to you through grace, for you are worthy.” (to the Smyrnæans, 9)

What can this mean except that Mr. Charles has not really read Ignatius’ letters? He claimed “worthy” is a term Ignatius “applies to no other church” than Rome, and yet it is plainly obvious to any reader that the claim is false.

And while it may indeed be true that Ignatius’ describes only Rome as honorable, he describes only Ephesus as “most happy,” and then rubs that fact in the face the Romans! Aside from the Ephesians, no other church is considered “most happy” at all, and Ignatius is more than happy to tell it to the Romans:

“to the Church which is at Ephesus, in Asia, deservedly most happy” (to the Ephesians, greeting)

“You are initiated into the mysteries of the Gospel with Paul, the holy, the martyred, the deservedly most happy” (to the Ephesians, 12)

“the Ephesians, who are deservedly most happy.” (to the Romans, 10)

Why did Ephesus deserve to be “most happy,” but Rome did not? Was Ignatius trying to send a special message to Rome about the primacy of the Ephesian church? What else could he possibly mean? We have every confidence that Mr. Charles will soon be converting to the One, Happy, Apostolic Ephesian Catholic Church, since Ignatius spoke of that church in ways that he spoke to no other.

Or, barring that, perhaps Mr. Charles will learn that Ignatius’ combination of magnanimity and extravagance was just a nice way of talking to people that he loved, not a hidden message of Ephesian primacy.

5. He speaks of her as being “deemed holy,” and “named from” both Christ and the Father—terminology he uses for no other church, implying that the Roman church is somehow uniquely established by God.

Again, we think Mr. Charles has been so narrowly selective in his harvest of praises for Rome that he has missed the equivalent superlatives Ignatius heaps on the other churches. Ignatius said the Roman church is “worthy of being deemed holy” (to the Romans, greeting), and unless the translators have misunderstood Ignatius, he seems to mean that the Roman church is worthy of the title, “holy.” That is what “deemed” means: that the adjective is appropriate. To Ignatius, “holy” was an appropriate title for the Trallians, too:

“Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the holy Church which is at Tralles…” (to the Trallians, greeting)

Surely Ignatius would not have called the Trallian Catholic Church holy unless it was “worthy of being deemed holy.” It goes without saying. If Mr. Charles really wants to differentiate between “worthy of being deemed holy” and actually being holy, we imagine the Trallians must have surpassed the Romans in that regard, for Rome was worthy of being regarded as holy, while the Trallians were actually holy. Since Mr. Charles has rejected forensic justification in which someone is merely declared holy, in favor of moral transformation in which someone is actually holy, we suspect he would embrace the actual holiness of Tralles over the forensic holiness of Rome. What, after all, does a woman long to hear more: that she is “worthy of being deemed beautiful,” or that she is in fact beautiful? We suspect the One, Holy, Apostolic, Trallian Catholic Church might have the upper hand here.

And while it is true that Ignatius said the Roman church “is named from Christ, and from the Father” (to the Romans, greeting), we are a little puzzled where the churches of Philadelphia and Smyrna got their names, since Ignatius never tells us:

“Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, which is at Philadelphia” (to the Philadelphians, greeting)

“Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church of God the Father, and of the beloved Jesus Christ … which is at Smyrna” (to the Smyrnæans, greeting)

If any of our readers can crack Ignatius’ baffling code and perhaps solve this mystery, would they please let us in on it so we can know? For Whom were the churches at Philadelphia and Smyrna named? Ignatius offers us no clues except to tell us that their churches were called “the Church of God the Father and of the Lord Jesus Christ.” But that is of little help, since it only states the Name, but not where those Names are from. It is an important piece of information, especially since Mr. Charles believes that any church that has its name from the Father and from Jesus “is somehow uniquely established by God.”

We suppose that after a rigorous scientific examination it is possible that the churches at Smyrna and Philadelphia might also have been named for Jesus Christ and the Father. But who are we to say? If that turns out to be true, Mr. Charles may want to change his allegiance to the the Smyrnæan Catholic Church or the Philadelphian Catholic Church. They, too, appear to be “somehow uniquely established by God.”

We jest, of course, at Mr. Charles’ expense, but his claim is made more laughable by Ignatius’ actual words. Mr. Charles appears to think that Ignatius meant that the Church at Rome was named by Christ and by the Father. But Ignatius said that the church at Rome was “christonomos, patronomos,” which simply mean “named for Christ, named for the Father”:

“χριστώνομος, πατρώνομος” (christonomos, patronomos) Migne, PG 5, 685)

Ignatius clearly thought the Philadelphian and Smyrnæan churches were named for Christ and named for the Father, or he would not have called them by those Names. He also believed, obviously, that all churches were so named, and not just the one in Rome.

6. Finally, he speaks of the Roman church as “filled inseparably with the grace of God,” and “purified from every strange taint,” which, given the tenor of this and all the other epistles, is most likely to refer to heretical doctrines.

Well, the Roman Church might have been “filled inseparably with the grace of God,” but the Ephesian Church was “blessed in the greatness and fullness of God the Father … for an enduring and unchangeable glory” (to the Ephesians, greetings). That seems to be even higher praise than was heaped on Rome. No other church is described that way!

To the Magnesians, Ignatius said, “Having been informed of your godly love, so well-ordered, I rejoiced greatly, and determined to commune with you in the faith of Jesus Christ” (to the Magnesians, 1). Possessing “well-ordered” and “godly love” seems to be a compliment that surpasses that applied to the church at Rome. After all, Rome was supposed to “preside over love” (to the Romans, greeting), and yet Ignatius saw fit to warn them that their love was so disordered and overbearing that if they did not change their ways they would be hating him rather than loving him. For this reason, Ignatius was “afraid of your love” (to the Romans, 1, 8). But he wasn’t afraid of the Magnesians’ love. In fact he wanted more of it: “I stand in need of … your love” (to the Magnesians, 14). So which church’s love was more well-ordered and godly? The Romans’, of whose love Ignatius was afraid? Or the Magnesians’, of whose love Ignatius needed more? The Magnesians’, obviously. No other church is said by Ignatius to have such well-ordered love!

Ignatius saluted the Church at Tralles “in the apostolic character”:

“Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the holy Church which is at Tralles, … which also I salute in its fullness, and in the apostolic character, and wish abundance of happiness” (to the Trallians, greeting).

It seems that the Ephesians and Romans — actual apostolic sees — should have been saluted “in the apostolic character,” but Ignatius reserved this special salutation only for Tralles. He addresses no other church in this way.

The Church at Philadelphia was both “established in the harmony of God” and “established in security” (to the Philadelphians, greeting). Neither Rome nor Tralles appear to be established at all, while Magnesia still must “study … to be established” (to the Magnesians, 13). The church of Ephesus was only “established in safety” (to the Ephesians, 12), and the church in Smyrna only “established in love” (to the Smyrnæans, 1). But Philadelphia  was doubly established both “in harmony” and “in security.” No other church is described by Ignatius as “doubly” established!

To the Church at Smyrna, Ignatius wrote, ” I glorify God, even Jesus Christ, who has given you such wisdom. For I have observed that you are perfected in an immoveable faith” (to the Smyrnæans, 1). And to Smyrna’s bishop: “your mind is fixed in God as upon an immoveable rock” (to Polycarp, 1). No other congregation was told that it possessed the wisdom of God and an “immoveable faith” under the “immoveable rock” of its bishop — a rather odd thing for Ignatius to say on his way to Rome, allegedly home of the very “immoveable rock” upon which Christ was supposed to have built his Church. And yet he describes Smyrna as “immoveable,” a title he reserves for no other church!

What can we conclude from this except that the Ephesians, Magnesians, Trallians, Philadelphians and Smyrnæans held the primacy, too. And if everyone held the primacy, then nobody did. If Mr. Charles were to read Ignatius seriously, he could arrive at no other conclusion, for in one way or another, Ignatius speaks of each church in a way that he speaks to no other.

The House Built on Sand

From what is obviously a ridiculous premise, Mr. Charles then continues a deeper dive into Ignatius’ Epistle to the Romans, exploring in detail, some of the claims identified above. We shall explore those claims along with Mr. Charles.

The Praying Roman Church

Mr. Charles writes of the Roman Congregation:

“Ignatius almost seems to beg the Roman church not to pray for him, as he seeks martyrdom for the sake of Jesus, and says that ‘it is easy for you to accomplish what you please.’ This is, again, some sort of unique grace, or ability, he attributes to the Roman church.” (emphasis added)

As he continues, he identifies several places (chapters 4, 6, and 8) where Ignatius says only the Roman Church could possibly prevent his martyrdom:

“Ignatius thus attributes unique power to the prayers, or spiritual initiative or actions, of the Roman church—she is the only one he seems to be asking permission from, in some way. He speaks to no other church in this fashion.” (emphasis added)

But Mr. Charles has again seen only what he wanted to see, and heard only what he wanted to hear. Later in the Epistle to the Romans, Ignatius accuses the Romans of being on the Devil’s side, imploring them to repent of it:

“The prince of this world would fain carry me away, and corrupt my disposition towards God. Let none of you, therefore, who are [in Rome] help him; rather be on my side, that is, on the side of God.” (to the Romans, 7)

It is not praiseworthy that in the Roman prayers they were asking for the Devil’s will to be done. Yet Ignatius tells the Romans that if they are praying for his reprieve they are against God. Mr. Charles thinks praying for the Devil’s will to be done is some profound evidence of the “unique power” of the Roman prayers. Rome was not praying rightly, and Ignatius asked them to please stop siding with the Devil.

But guess who was praying rightly and fruitfully? Not the Romans, but the Philadelphians: “your prayer to God shall make me perfect” (to the Philadelphians, 5). And the Ephesians were praying rightly, too: “I came bound from Syria … trusting through your prayers to be permitted to fight with beasts at Rome” (to the Ephesians, 1). And the Smrynæans: “Your prayer has reached to the Church which is at Antioch in Syria. … through your prayers, they have now reached the harbour” (to the Smyrnæans, 11). It appears that a lot of churches, in Ignatius’ mind, had the “unique power” of fruitful prayer. He didn’t ask them to stop siding with the Devil.

The Teaching Roman Church

Mr. Charles continues, citing chapter 3 of Ignatius’ letter to the Romans, observing that Rome was a teaching church:

“You have … have taught others. Now I desire that those things may be confirmed [by your conduct], which in your instructions you enjoin [on others].” (to the Romans, 3)

What can this mean, Mr. Charles asks, except Roman Primacy?

“This line is crucial, as it speaks of the Roman church as one that teaches, confirms, instructs, and enjoins other churches”

But of the Ephesians, Ignatius said, “And pray without ceasing on behalf of other men. … See, then, that they be instructed by your works” (to the Ephesians, 10). He, as Bishop of Antioch, also claimed that he had taught the Smyrnæans: “I give you these instructions, beloved, assured that you also hold the same opinions” (to the Smyrnæans, 4). No, Ignatius did not speak of Rome as a uniquely teaching church. All churches were expected to teach.

The Unblemished Roman Church

Mr. Charles continues, camping on Rome’s freedom from envy, which to him implies some manner of perfection and preëminence:

“The Roman church envies no other church — which implies that she has some sort of preeminence the other churches lack. Ignatius speaks of no other church in this way.”

It is true that Ignatius said the Roman church “envies no other.” There are of course other vices, and Ignatius must have thought they need to spend a little time on those or he would have mentioned them. But as for Ephesus, well, “you have perfectly accomplished the work which was beseeming to you” (to the Ephesians, 1). Perfectly! He speaks of no other church in this way!

The Petrine Roman Church

Here Mr. Charles takes a gratuitous detour from Ignatius and begins to expound upon the Scriptures and the “universal” testimony of the Church Fathers to show that Ignatius must have believed that Peter alone founded the Roman church. To suggest as much, he quotes the 4th chapter of Ignatius’ epistle:

“I do not, as Peter and Paul, issue commandments unto you. They were apostles; I am but a condemned man” (to the Romans, 4)

From this, Mr. Charles suggests that Ignatius was acknowledging Peter’s primacy, and that Peter alone had founded the Church at Rome:

There are three important observations to make about this passage. First, it affirms that Peter was indeed at Rome.  Second, it lists him first, following the biblical pattern in which Peter is always listed first, a testimony to his primacy.  Third, given the fact that churches could only be founded by apostles, and we know that Paul did not found the Roman church, we must necessarily conclude that, at least as far as Ignatius knew, Peter must have been its founder. (emphasis in original)

We will not quibble on the first point, since other early writers claim that Peter was in Rome. On the second point, we must object, for there is no “biblical pattern in which Peter is always listed first.” For example,

“But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee” (Mark 16:7).

“James, Cephas, and John, … seemed to be pillars” (Galatians 2:9).

“Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter” (John 1:44).

Wow, maybe there is a Biblical method after all! If Peter has the primacy, and Bethsaida is “the city of Andrew and Peter,” and Peter is listed last, then maybe Ignatius thought the last person mentioned is always the one who has primacy. Based on that Biblical method, he must have thought that Paul had the primacy in Rome, and Peter only had the primacy in Bethsaida. After all, Ignatius listed Paul last! He must have been following the biblical pattern in which the last person mentioned is always the one who has primacy! But we jest.

On the third point, we must demur as well. To substantiate his claim that Peter alone must have founded the church at Rome, Mr. Charles appeals to Peter’s words in Romans 15:20, “Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man’s foundation.” To Mr. Charles this is Paul’s confession that he did not found the church in Rome, for to preach there would be to build upon “another man’s foundation”:

Paul, explaining why he has not yet come to Rome, speaks of “my ambition to preach the gospel [elsewhere], not where Christ has already been named, lest I build on another man’s foundation…” This necessarily implies that the Roman church, “[whose] faith is proclaimed in all the world,” [Rom. 1:8] has already been founded. And since it was clearly not founded by Paul (according to Paul himself), the only other contender who is listed in the historical record is Peter. {brackets, parentheses and emphasis in original}

Here Mr. Charles has assumed that Paul desired only to preach the gospel somewhere else, since Rome was “another man’s foundation.” But Paul’s ambition, having preached “from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum” (Romans 15:19) was indeed to preach the gospel in Rome to the Romans:

“Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.” (Romans 1:13)

“So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.” (Romans 1:15)

“For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:” (Romans 11:13)

Why indeed would Paul want to “have some fruit” among the Romans if he was trying not to “build upon another man’s foundation”? Why would he want “to preach the gospel” in Rome if he was trying not to “build upon another man’s foundation”? Why would he “speak to you Gentiles” in Rome if he was trying not to “build upon another man’s foundation”? Surely, he must have believed the Roman foundation did not belong to another! This is the ridiculous knot Mr. Charles ties for himself when he attempts to establish a Solus Petrus Roman primacy where it does not exist.

But Mr. Charles goes on from this and claims further that the early church Fathers universally agree with him:

And since it was clearly not founded by Paul (according to Paul himself), the only other contender who is listed in the historical record is Peter. This is, in fact, the universal testimony of the Church Fathers.” (emphasis added)

It is remarkable that in all of his studies of “tens of thousands of pages” of early Church Fathers, Mr. Charles did not come across Irenæus (189 AD) who credits the founding of the church at Rome to both Apostles. Irenæus testifies of this explicitly three times:

“Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church” (Irenæus, Against Heresies, Book 3.1.1)

“the universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul;” (Irenæus, Against Heresies, Book 3.3.2)

“The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate.” (Irenæus, Against Heresies, Book 3.3.3)

What is more, Clement of Rome (c. 60 AD) described Peter and Paul together as “the greatest and most righteous pillars (στύλοι)” of the Church (to the Corinthians, 5), and Pope Leo (c. 460 AD) claimed that Peter and Paul had built the church in Rome together:

“These [Peter and Paul] are your holy Fathers and true shepherds, who gave you claims to be numbered among the heavenly kingdoms, and built you under much better and happier auspices (multoque felicius condiderunt) than they, by whose zeal the first foundations of your walls were laid:” (Sermon 82, 1 [PG 54, 422])

Here Leo has likened the founders of the Roman church to the original founders of the city, Remus and Romulus, identifying two contrasting pairs that founded and built Rome: first Remus and Romulus, then Peter and Paul. While he acknowledges that Peter got to Rome first, Leo immediately turns his attention to Paul’s arrival in order to maintain the rubric of their collaboration:  “You [Peter] carried the trophy of Christ’s cross into the citadel of Rome,” and “Thither came also your blessed brother-Apostle Paul [who] was associated with you” there (Sermon 82, 5-6). “Condiderunt” may be reasonably translated either as “built you” or “founded you,” but it is safe to say that Pope Leo either believed Peter and Paul had co-founded the Church at Rome, or barring that, he had Paul co-building the Church with Peter. And since Paul would never “build on another man’s foundation,” Leo obviously believed Paul had co-founded the Church there, just as Irenæus insisted.

Mr. Charles may believe that Paul did not found and did not build the church at Rome, and that Paul avoided preaching in Rome “lest I should build upon another man’s foundation” (Romans 15:20). But Pope Leo did not believe that. Leo in fact seems quite sure that Paul did what Mr. Charles thinks he did not.

Now, we have no “dog in this fight,” for it matters little to us where and when Peter and Paul ministered, so long as their writings have come down to us. But their whereabouts and whenabouts matter very much to Mr. Charles who seeks to establish from Ignatius ancient evidence of Solus Petrus. But to do that he must disregard the great witnesses who claimed that Peter and Paul were “the greatest pillars” of the Church (Clement), and “layed the foundations” of the Church in Rome (Irenæus) and “built” or “founded” the Roman church better than Remus and Romulus laid the city’s foundations (Leo). These great men — early Church Fathers and popes — think differently than Mr. Charles. Ignoring all this, Mr. Charles claims to have “the universal testimony of the Church Fathers” on his side, and based on that, “we must necessarily conclude that, at least as far as Ignatius knew, Peter must have been its [only] founder.”

Lest we miss the main attraction, let us aggregate the fullness of the injury Mr. Charles has inflicted upon Ignatius. Mr. Charles alleged that Ignatius used “the biblical model” of always listing Peter first, but there is no such “biblical model.” He said Paul avoided preaching the gospel in Rome because he did not want to build upon Peter’s foundation, but Paul very much desired to preach the gospel in Rome and had every plan to do so. Mr. Charles claimed that “the universal testimony of the Church Fathers” was that Peter founded and built the Roman church without Paul, yet the collective testimony of Clement, Irenæus and Leo either suggests or explicitly claims that they founded it and built it together. Based on evidence available to anyone with a modicum of curiosity, Mr. Charles is very, very, wrong here — actually, factually wrong — and yet he insists that we must interpret Ignatius through that flawed lens:

“[W]e must necessarily conclude that, at least as far as Ignatius knew, Peter must have been its [the Roman church’s] founder.”

To this we respond that the reader must be very, very cautious when reading Joshua T. Charles. His desire is to convince the gullible and the naïve with false claims of “the biblical model” and “universal testimony of the Fathers” in the hopes that the incurious Protestant is overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of his claims. This is the method he uses to force Ignatius to say what he did not say, the Church Fathers to say “universally” what they did not “universally” say, the Scriptures to say what they do not say, in order to convince the foolish.

On second thought, that might be giving Mr. Charles too much credit. In truth, he has proposed nothing more than any other Roman Catholic apologist has already proposed. What he has done here rather is simply to regurgitate the same fiction and mythology he has ingested from other Roman apologists, and has done so without the courtesy of examining them before regurgitating them.

The Roman Fiction

To that end, Mr. Charles’ Roman Finale fails to impress. As proof of Roman Primacy in Ignatius, he claimed that “Ignatius speaks to the Roman church in ways he never speaks to any of the other churches.” Several of Mr. Charles’ claims are plainly false (e.g., both Rome and Ephesus are said to know God’s will, not Rome only; both Rome and Trallus are described as “holy,” not just Rome). And to the degree that Ignatius addresses Rome differently than he addresses the other churches, it is also true that he lavishes superlatives upon the other churches in ways that he never lavishes them upon Rome.

Mr. Charles claimed that the introduction to Ignatius’ letter to the Romans was longer than any other letter. True. But his longest letter was to Ephesus, not to Rome, and his longest conclusion was to Smyrna, not to Rome.

Mr. Charles claimed that Ignatius said Rome alone was “enlightened” by God’s will. True. But Ignatius also said Rome was praying incorrectly, taking the Devil’s side, while Ephesus was praying correctly. So while Rome was “enlightened” by God’s will, Ephesus was actually “living in accordance with God’s will” (To the Ephesians, 8), something he said to no other church!

Mr. Charles claimed that Rome is the only church Ignatius described as “‘presiding’ anywhere.” That is not true. The bishop of Magnesia was said to preside in the place of God, and its presbyters in the place of the apostles, something he says of no other church!

Mr. Charles claimed that Ignatius used terms like “worthy” and “honorable” to describe Rome, unlike any other church. But Ignatius said the Ephesians, Trallians and Smrynæans were all “worthy.” It is true that he used “honourable” for Rome alone, but it is also true that only the Ephesians were “deservedly most happy,” a description he uses for no other church!

Mr. Charles claimed only the church of Rome was “’named from’ both Christ and the Father” in Ignatius’ letters. Yet Ignatius uses the names of “both Christ and the Father” in his formal addresses both to the Philadelphians and to the Smyrnæans.

He continued on this theme, claiming the “unique power” or “unique grace” of the praying Roman church. Yet Ignatius’ actually rebukes the Roman church for siding with the Devil in its prayers while praising the Philadelphians, Ephesians and Smyrnæans not only for praying rightly, but for praying fruitfully on his behalf and on behalf of the church of Antioch.

He claimed Rome was a uniquely teaching church because Ignatius said they had “taught others.” Yet Ignatius “instructed” the Smyrnæans and wrote that it was good for “other men” to be instructed by the Ephesians.

Because Ignatius said the Roman church “envies no other church,” Mr. Charles inferred a certain Roman “preëminence” in Ignatius’ mind. And yet the Ephesians had done their works “perfectly,” something Ignatius says of no other church!

What is more, Mr. Charles claimed that Ignatius had used the “biblical model” of always listing Peter first, but Peter is not always listed first in the Bible. He claimed that Paul desired to preach the Gospel anywhere else but Rome, and yet Paul clearly desired to preach the Gospel in Rome. He claimed the early Church Fathers universally affirmed that Peter alone had founded the church in Rome, and yet Clement of Rome, Irenæus and Leo claimed that Peter and Paul “were the greatest pillars,” and had laid its foundations and built it together. Based on egregious falsehood, Mr. Charles assumed therefore that “we must necessarily conclude that” Ignatius must have believed that Peter had founded the Church in Rome alone. None of his arguments can carry the weight of the Roman Primacy that he heaps upon them.

The Ignatian Magnanimity

Taking Mr. Charles’ premise at face value — “If Ignatius addresses X in a different way than he addresses Y it is because he thought X was more special than Y” — we have turned it back on him to prove the primacy of every other church to which he wrote. Only the Ephesians are “deservedly most happy.” Only the Magnesians “preside in the place of God.” Only the Trallians are called “the holy church.” Only the Philadelphians are doubly “established.” Only the Smyrnæns have an “immoveable faith” and a bishop who is described as an “immoveable rock.” Applying Mr. Charles’ premise equitably, we must conclude that Ignatius thought every church was more special than every other church, and that every church must have in some way held the primacy over the others. And if every church had the primacy, then no church did. In truth, Ignatius was simply magnanimous, and spoke highly, uniquely, charitably and superlatively of every church in one way or another. What is more, even some of the “uniquely” Roman superlatives Mr. Charles has harvested from Ignatius’ letter to Rome, are actually lavished upon the other churches in his other letters. Rome, as it turns out, was no more special in Ignatius’ mind than any other church. And therefore, there is no “Roman Finale” in Ignatius’ letters.

Adding fallacy to falsehood and fabrication, Mr. Charles thinks to turn Ignatius into a purveyor of Roman primacy. But if he must use lies, falsehoods, errors and fallacy to make his case, we can dismiss his nonsense, and move on to his next “point.”

3 thoughts on ““Tens of Thousands of Pages,” Part 4”

  1. Im sure Mr Charles could reference Ignatius as to the white smoke coming out of the Vatican when Peter was inauguated 1st pope too. Another excellent critique i nodded my head too. Thx Tim

    1. Yes, it is important that the protestant notice that, had Ignatius said any of those superlatives to the Roman church – immoveable, ”the holy church,” deservedly most happy, doubly established – we would never hear the end of it. But since they were said to churches other than Rome, they are simply ignored, as if they were just casual salutations.

      This shows us two things: 1) the superlatives addressed to Rome were equally casual, and 2) the Roman apologist’s interest in Ignatius is purely polemical, not historical.

  2. Tim, i think your argument is logical, his over the top puffery wasnt respector of one church., incidentally, even Ratzinger admitted the early church wasnt a one man one church operation. Only if Mr Charles knew the gospel and understood it, and received it, he could have avoided the deception he entered into. Of course it looks like hes under the deception of 2 Thess. 2:11 to me. I wanted to let iu I know, since my email is broken, “Betty” said shes coming here to post something from another site to get ” get me in trouble” not that im worried about it. As if you dont have other things going on. I just thought you should know. Ive got much going on now so i dont have much time to post anymore. Im a painter and work on my art much of my time in retirement. Im half way thru the book and its awesome Tim. You guys were thorough and convincing in your argument. Thx k

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