The Mother of My Lord

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign…” — Isaiah 7:14

It has become fashionable of late to convert to Roman Catholicism, a phenomenon with which we interact occasionally in our podcast, The Diving Board. It is there that we examine, and then refute, the reasons the typical Protestant gives when deciding to convert. The problem of Mary is often the last stumbling block to fall, but when it does, the floodgates of hyperlatria open wide, and an embarrassing superfluity of worship is heaped upon her. After all, the Roman Catholic priest can “command God … and make Him come down to the altar” to be offered in the Sacrifice of the Mass, but has “no commands to give His holy Mother, who does as She pleases.” So taught the Apparition of Mary at La Laus, France in 1664. And on that basis, the apparitions were determined to be authentic. Not because “Mary” appeared as a humble handmaiden but because she had appeared as Virgin Most Powerful and Queen of the Universe, utterly free of any constraint to her will. Unlike her hapless “Son” who gets bossed around daily like a chump, nobody tells Mary what to do. That is why the Apparition of Mary at La Laus was considered authentic, and the curse of hyperlatria is the wretched misfortune that awaits the Protestant who stumbles into devotion to her.

In Roman Catholicism, Mary was not merely reverent and virtuous, but wholly and irreversibly sinless from the moment of conception—not only free of sin, but free of any inclination to sin. She was a virgin both at Jesus’ conception and at His birth—as the Scriptures teach—but Rome insists that she also retained the physical attribute of virginity even in childbirth. They allege she suffered neither sickness, nor tearing of the flesh, nor physical pain, nor even the slightest discomfort. Such humiliations of the weaker sex are reserved for the sinful. And because Jesus is God and Mary is His Mother, Roman Catholicism reasons that Mary is “the Mother of God,” the Theotokos. Rome also teaches that the Ark of the Old Covenant prefigured Mary—anointed in holiness (Exodus 30:26), overlaid in pure gold inside and out (Exodus 25:11), made of ostensibly imperishable acacia wood (Exodus 25:10), both immaculate in holiness and untouchable by men.  She contained within her womb the bread of heaven and the tables of stone (Hebrews 9:4)—figures of Christ Whom she had carried, and as Ark of the New Covenant, she is the perfect fulfillment of the typology.  Free of sin and its effects, she must have also escaped the curse of Adam, returning to Heaven at the end of her life, glorified in body, physically untouched by the ravages of decomposition, and certainly in no need of resurrection. “Arise, O LORD, into thy rest; thou, and the ark of thy strength” (Psalms 132:8). As Christ had ascended to His rest, so surely had Mary, His Ark, followed Him there. She is therefore said already to be enjoying resurrected glory in Heaven.

When trying to convince the gullible and the naïve of these teachings, the typical Roman Catholic will appeal to “two thousand years of historic Christian teaching” (Patrick Madrid, Answer Me This), alleging that the Church has always believed these things about Mary. When Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854 that Mary had been conceived without sin, he appealed to “illustrious documents of venerable antiquity, of both the Eastern and the Western Church,” saying that they “very forcibly testify” of Mary’s sinlessness (Ineffabilis Deus, 1854). When Pope Pius XII proclaimed in 1950 that Mary had been assumed body and soul into heaven at the end of her life, he appealed to “holy Fathers and Doctors of the Church” who have “since ancient times” taught “this fact” (Munificentissimus Deus, 16). The claims are so broad in their scope and sweeping in their claim that they nearly always produce the desired effect: to intimidate the timid and dissuade the pliable. The ignorant Protestant, shuddering at the mountains of evidence through which he is challenged to sift, simply capitulates without challenge.

The truth, however, is that there absolutely have not been “two thousand years of historic Christian teaching” on the fictional Roman Catholic Mary. And the ancient Eastern and Western Church most certainly did not “forcibly testify” of her immaculacy and assumption. Quite the opposite, in fact. In the ancient Church, Mary was believed to be sinful, Christ’s childbirth to be normal, her physical virginity compromised in a natural delivery that was enormously painful for both mother and Child. Her many sins were cleansed at the Cross rather than prevented at her conception. Far from unapproachable holiness and immaculate purity, Mary was not considered to be the Ark of the New Covenant, but an obstinate, unbelieving mother who came to faith in Christ late in life. Such a woman most certainly had not been assumed bodily into heaven. She would have to wait for the resurrection like the rest of us. It was Christ, His Church, and His Gospel, rather than Mary, Who had been foreshadowed by the Ark.

What we find in a review of the historical record is that the Mary of Rome’s imagination did not arrive on the scene until late in the 4th century. Until then, she was considered not only sinful, but obstinate, vainglorious and covetous, more appropriately a figure of the Synagogue that rejected Him than the Bride of Christ who celebrated His arrival. So remarkably candid were the early writers on Mary’s need for healing from her “disease” and cleansing from her sins, that the Roman Catholic Encyclopedia is forced to acknowledge those many “stray private opinions,” and the Roman Catholic Mariologist is forced to acknowledge the casual and “discourteous” familiarity with which the early writers discussed her:

… the older Fathers … seem to have been in error on this matter. … But these stray private opinions merely serve to show that theology is a progressive science.” (Catholic Encyclopedia, Immaculate Conception).

The pre-Ephesus portrait of Mary is paradoxical. … Before [the council of] Ephesus [in 431 A.D.], Oriental theology is apparently unaware of a problem in this regard. Where the literature touches the sanctity of Mary, it does so … with a disinterest which is disconcerting and at times a familiarity which borders on discourtesy. (Juniper Carol, Mariology, Vol. II, section IV Our Lady’s Holiness)

And here is where the Catholic apologist’s proud boasting of “two thousand years” of tradition and the Pope’s pious fabrication of ancient “forcible” testimony, come crashing against the rocky coastline of actual history: The early Church just wasn’t that into her.

They Believed Mary Was Sinful

Tertullian (160 – 225 AD)

When speaking of Jesus’ brethren (John 7:5), Tertullian observed that “neither did his brethren believe in him,” including Mary in the ranks of His immediate family’s unbelief. Even though Martha and other Marys were in constant attendance upon Him, “there is at the same time a want of evidence of His mother’s adherence to Him.” Her unbelief is the reason Mary could be no figure of the Church, but rather was a figure of the Synagogue:

In this very passage indeed, their unbelief is evident. … while strangers were intent on Him, His very nearest relatives were absent. … but they prefer to interrupt Him, and wish to call Him away from His great work. … When denying one’s parents in indignation, one [Jesus] does not deny their existence, but censures their faults.  …  in the abjured mother there is a figure of the synagogue, as well as of the Jews in the unbelieving brethren. In their person Israel remained outside, while the new disciples who kept close to Christ within, hearing and believing, represented the Church, which He called mother in a preferable sense and a worthier brotherhood, with the repudiation of the carnal relationship. (Tertullian, On the Flesh of Christ, chapter 7)

Commenting on Matthew 12:46, in which “His mother and His brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him,” Tertullian says that Jesus was “justly indignant” that “they wanted to call Him away from [His] solemn work.” For this reason “He transferred the names of blood-relationship (mother, brother, sister (Matthew 12:50)) to others whom He judged to be more closely related to Him by reason of their faith,” witholding those names from they “whom He refused because of their offense” (Tertullian, Against Marcion, Book IV, chapter 19). “Their offense,” included Mary’s unbelief.

Origen (185 – 254 A.D.)

When Simeon took Jesus in his arms in the Temple, he praised the Lord and then spoke ominous words of Mary. Origen, the first Church Father known to expound Luke 2:35, understood that the sword that “shall pierce through thy own soul also” was the sword of doubt and unbelief. He is explicit on this point, citing Romans 3:23 as proof, claiming that Mary, like the rest of us, had sinned, and that Jesus must have died for Mary’s sins:

If she did not suffer scandal at the Lord’s Passion, then Jesus did not die for her sins. But, if ‘all have sinned and lack God’s glory’ … then Mary too was scandalized at that time. (Origen, Homilies on Luke, 17.6-7)

Basil (329-379 AD)

Basil, likewise commenting on Luke 2:35, also concluded that even Mary “shall some doubt reach.” Using Origen’s words, he concludes that Jesus propitiated Mary’s sins on the cross:

Simeon therefore prophesies about Mary herself, that when standing by the cross, and beholding what is being done, and hearing the voices, after the witness of Gabriel, after her secret knowledge of the divine conception, after the great exhibition of miracles, she shall feel about her soul a mighty tempest. The Lord was bound to taste of death for every man — to become a propitiation for the world and to justify all men by His own blood. Even you yourself, who hast been taught from on high the things concerning the Lord, shall be reached by some doubt. This is the sword. (Basil, Letter 260.9)

Contrary to what Pius IX would define, Basil has Mary healed of her sins after Jesus’ death on the cross, not “in the first instance of her conception.” As Basil has it, only “after the offense at the Cross of Christ” did “a certain swift healing … come from the Lord … to Mary herself” (Basil, Letter 260.9).

Hilary of Poitiers (c. 300 – 360 AD)

Hilary of Poitiers, the historians reluctantly acknowledge, has Mary facing the severity of God’s judgment:

“A sword will pierce the soul of blessed Mary, so that the thoughts of many hearts might be laid bare. If this Virgin, made capable of conceiving God, will encounter the severity of his judgment, who will dare to desire this judgment?” (Hilary of Poitiers, Tractatus in Ps 118; Patrologia Latina Volume 9 p. 523)

This is the same Hilary who taught that Christ was unique in this way: that His conception alone was immaculate:

For Christ had indeed a body, but unique, as befitted His origin. He did not come into existence through the passions incident to human conception: He came into the form of our body by an act of His own power. He bore our collective humanity in the form of a servant, but He was free from the sins and imperfections of the human body: that we might be in Him, because He was born of the Virgin, and yet our faults might not be in Him, because He is the source of His own humanity, born as man but not born under the defects of human conception. … though He was formed in fashion as a man, He knew not what sin was. For His conception was in the likeness of our nature, not in the possession of our faults.”(Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity, Book X, chapter 25).

Rome’s argument is that Mary being the source of Christ’s humanity, must of necessity be sinless to give birth to a sinless Savior. Hilary was not so inclined. He simply assumed Mary was sinful, but that “our faults” were not in Him because He was “the source of His own humanity.” Elsewhere, Hilary wrote that Mary’s womb was hallowed by the Spirit at Jesus’ conception (not at Mary’s), and that by His conception, Jesus took on human flesh, “that through this commingling there might come into being a hallowed Body of all humanity” (Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity, Book II, chapters 24 – 26). It was Jesus’ body, as it turns out, not Mary’s, that enjoyed the distinction of the first and only immaculate conception, and was the first “hallowed Body” in history.

John Chrysostom (c. 349 – 407 AD)

Commenting on John 2:1-11, Chrysostom has Jesus rebuking Mary, reproving her for her unseasonable questions and “correcting her weakness,” by which rebuke “He both healed the disease of vainglory, and rendered the due honor to His mother” (John Chrysostom, Homilies in Matthew, Homily 44.3). Commenting on the same passage, as well as John 17:4 and Matthew 12:48, Chrysostom has Mary attempting “to render herself more conspicuous” and “desiring to gain credit from His miracles,” wrongly believing according to custom that it was hers “to direct Him in all things, when she ought to have reverenced and worshipped Him” (John Chrysostom, Homilies in John, Homily 21.2). When He corrected her error, “instructing her for the future not to do the like,” He still showed her respect, yet nevertheless “He cared much more for the salvation of her soul” than for her feelings (John Chrysostom, Homilies in John, Homily 21.3).

Continuing in Matthew, Chrysostom berated her for her vanity and her pride:

For in fact that which she [Mary] had [tried] to do, was of superfluous vanity; in that she wanted to show the people that she has power and authority over her Son, imagining not as yet anything great concerning Him; whence also her unseasonable approach. See at all events both her self-confidence and theirs. Since when they ought to have gone in, and listened with the multitude; or if they were not so minded, to have waited for His bringing His discourse to an end, and then to have come near; they call Him out, and do this before all, evincing a superfluous vanity, and wishing to make it appear, that with much authority they enjoin Him. (John Chrysostom, Homilies in Matthew, Homily 44, 1).

All her obedience as a handmaiden of the Lord was for nought, Chrysostom preached, if she lacked simple virtue. Commenting on the same passage in Matthew, he wrote,

… but today we learn in addition another thing, that even to have borne Christ in the womb, and to have brought forth that marvellous birth, has no profit, if there be not virtue. (John Chrysostom, Homilies in Matthew, Homily 44, 1).

In one of the most stunning retroactive character assassinations in history, Chrysostom, wondered, then answered, why the angel advised Joseph after Mary had conceived but addressed Mary before she had conceived. Far from Rome’s novel claim that Gabriel had come to ask Mary’s permission for God to be incarnated, Chrysostom had a much simpler answer, but no less stunning for its simplicity: if Mary had not been advised in advance, she might have contemplated suicide, killing not only herself, but her unborn Son with her:

Why then, it may be asked, did he not so in the Virgin’s case also, and declare the good tidings to her after the conception? Lest she should be in agitation and great trouble. For it were likely that she, not knowing the certainty, might have even devised something amiss touching herself, and have gone on to strangle or to stab herself, not enduring the disgrace.  … Now she who was of such perfect delicacy would even have been distracted with dismay at the thought of her shame, not expecting, by whatever she might say, to convince any one who should hear of it, but that what had happened was adultery. Therefore to prevent these things, the angel came before the conception. (Chrysostom, Homilies in Matthew, Homily 4.9)

Suicide, as Roman Catholics well know, is considered by the Church to be a grave moral offense, but orchestrating the murder of the Savior, orders of magnitude more so! The significance of Chrysostom’s characterization of Mary here is that if she were sinless, and completely free of concupiscence, then there should have been no danger of suicide, and Gabriel would have had no need “to prevent” Mary from “devising something amiss.” Yet as written, Chrysostom’s words show that he believed that if Gabriel had not taken countermeasures, Mary may well have killed herself, and the Christ child with her!

They Believed Mary Lost Her Virginity in Childbirth

Tertullian (160 – 225 AD)

The ancient Gnostics denied the incarnation, and therefore, without a body, Jesus’ birth would not have been a natural delivery. Tertullian was aghast: “he who represented the flesh of Christ to be imaginary was equally able to pass off His nativity as a phantom.”  If the Gnostics were right, the entire childhood narrative in the Scriptures was a lie: “so that the virgin’s conception, and pregnancy, and child-bearing, and then the whole course of her infant too, would have to be regarded as putative” (Tertullian, The Flesh of Christ, paragraph 1). To counter the argument, Tertullian insisted rather that Jesus’ birth had been normal, precisely because Christ’s flesh had been real, and therefore that Mary was a virgin until the Christ child physically opened her womb. At that moment her virginity ended:

… although she was a virgin when she conceived, she was a wife when she brought forth her son. … But it is marriage which opens the womb in all cases. … [S]he was “a virgin,” so far as (abstinence) from a husband went, and “yet not a virgin,” as regards her bearing a child. … Indeed she ought rather to be called not a virgin than a virgin, becoming a mother at a leap, as it were, before she was a wife. … Since it was in this sense that the apostle declared that the Son of God was born not of a virgin, but of a woman, he in that statement recognised the condition of the opened womb which ensues in marriage. (Tertullian, The Flesh of Christ, chapter 23)

Indeed, in describing His natural delivery, no detail was too graphic to be omitted, so invested was Tertullian in the full implications of the Incarnation. Indignant at the Gnostic assault on the Incarnation, he challenged them to speak plainly about their rejection of Christ’s natural delivery:

… it remains for you to repudiate and censure [a human body] as unworthy of Him. Come now, beginning from the nativity itself, declaim against the uncleanness of the generative elements within the womb, the filthy concretion of fluid and blood, of the growth of the flesh for nine months long out of that very mire. Describe the womb as it enlarges from day to day, heavy, troublesome, restless even in sleep, changeful in its feelings of dislike and desire. Inveigh now likewise against the shame itself of a woman in travail which, however, ought rather to be honoured in consideration of that peril, or to be held sacred in respect of (the mystery of) nature. (Tertullian, The Flesh of Christ, 4)

Origen (185 – 254 AD)

Like Tertullian, Origen argued that a woman’s virginity is normally lost through intercourse with a man, but Mary’s was lost through natural childbirth:

In the case of every other woman, it is not the birth of an infant but intercourse with a man that opens the womb. But the womb of the Lord’s mother was opened at the time when her offspring was brought forth …  (Origen, Homilies on Luke, Homily 14, paragraphs 7-8).

Eusebius (c. 260 – 340 AD)

Marvelling at the sufferings Christ endured at the Cross, Eusebius understood that the crucifixion was “no worse” than the tortures he had endured as He exited Mary’s virginal womb:

Such, then, was His prayer concerning the affliction that overtook Him. And since He knew that His original union with our flesh, and His birth of a woman that was a Virgin was no worse experience than the suffering of death. (Eusebius, Demonstration of the Gospel, Book X, Chapter 8 (c. 311))

That nativity, marvelous though it was, carried with it all the natural effects of the fall, painful for both mother and Child. He continued:

“For just as Thou wert My Succour,” He says, “when I took the body of man, when Thou, my God and Father, like a midwife didst draw the body that had been prepared for Me by the Holy Spirit from My travailing mother…”

Hilary of Poitiers (c. 300 – 360 AD)

As is evident from Hilary’s insistence on the shame Christ endured on our behalf, to embrace the Incarnation is to embrace all of its humiliations, including “common childbirth”:

Thus the invisible Image of God scorned not the shame which marks the beginnings of human life. He passed through every stage; through conception, birth, wailing, cradle and each successive humiliation. … He Who upholds the universe, within Whom and through Whom are all things, was brought forth by common childbirth; He at Whose voice Archangels and Angels tremble, and heaven and earth and all the elements of this world are melted, was heard in childish wailing. (Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity, Book II, chapters 24 – 25)

John Chrysostom (c. 349 – 407 AD)

To Chrysostom, even men qualify for the title “Mother of Jesus,” for Jesus had said as much in His preaching: “For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my … mother” (John 12:50). Thus, even men who obeyed Jesus’ words were considered superior to Mary. Indeed, not even her own birth pangs in childbirth could rob a man of that title:

For behold, He has marked out a spacious road for us; and it is granted not to women only, but to men also, to be of this rank, or rather of one yet far higher. For this makes one His mother much more, than those pangs did. So that if that were a subject for blessing, much more this, inasmuch as it is also more real.”(John Chrysostom, Homilies in Matthew, Homily 44, 2)

Jerome (342-420 AD)

In a widely circulated letter, Helvidius of Rome insisted that Christ’s delivery had been perfectly natural, and if there be no disgrace in that, then there ought be none in her physical union with Joseph thereafter. In fact, he wrote, it was inconsistent to affirm Christ’s natural delivery (as his detractors did) while also maintaining that Mary’s physical union with Joseph would have been a “disgrace”:

[A]re we bound to blush at the thought of Mary having a husband after she was delivered? If they find any disgrace in this, they ought not consistently even to believe that God was born of the Virgin by natural delivery. For according to them there is more dishonour in a virgin giving birth to God by the organs of generation, than in a virgin being joined to her own husband after she has been delivered. (Jerome, Against Helvidius, paragraph 20)

Jerome, who believed Joseph and Mary had not consummated their marriage, responded (383 AD) in indignation at the accusation of inconsistency. Christ’s natural delivery was not only to be affirmed, he responded, but also that its “humiliations” ought rather inspire us to deeper devotion:

 “Add, if you like, Helvidius, the other humiliations of nature, the womb for nine months growing larger, the sickness, the delivery, the blood, the swaddling-clothes. Picture to yourself the infant in the enveloping membranes. Introduce into your picture the hard manger, the wailing of the infant, the circumcision on the eighth day, the time of purification, so that he may be proved to be unclean. We do not blush, we are not put to silence. The greater the humiliations He endured for me, the more I owe Him. And when you have given every detail, you will be able to produce nothing more shameful than the cross, which we confess, in which we believe, and by which we triumph over our enemies..” (Jerome, Against Helvidius, paragraph 20)

Ten years later, Jerome succumbed to the times and reversed course, not only insisting that Mary maintained her physical virginity in childbirth, but so convinced of it that he was under no obligation to defend it! (Jerome (393 A.D.) Epistle 48 to Pammachius, 21). But in his initial exchange with Helvidius, the ancient and longstanding embrace of Christ’s natural delivery is apparent, as also evident in Tertullian, Origen, Eusebius, Hilary and Chrysostom.

They did not Believe Mary was Ark of the New Covenant

Since Roman Catholicism sees in the Ark of the Covenant objects that prefigure Christ — the manna and the tables of Stone —they therefore see in Mary a “New Ark”, holy and pure and untouchable as the Old, holding within her for nine months the Bread of Heaven and the Word of the Father. But the ancient writers actually understood the Ark of the Covenant to prefigure Christ, not Mary.

Irenæus (c. 130 – c. 202 AD)

Irenæus taught that the Ark referred to Christ’s body:

For as the ark was gilded within and without with pure gold, so was also the body of Christ pure and resplendent…  in order that from both [materials] the splendour of the natures might be clearly shown forth. (Irenæus, Fragments, Fragment 8)

This particular citation is attributed to Irenæus by Leontius of Byzantium (c. 600 AD), but because Leontius does not mention which of Irenæus’ works he was citing (Schaff, Fragments from the Lost Writings of Irenaeus, Fragment 8, n1,  AnteNicene Fathers, Volume 1), we cannot certify the authenticity of the reference. In any case, based on teaching of those who came after him, including his own disciple, Hippolytus, it is certainly not an anachronism.

Tertullian (160 – 225 AD)

Tertullian taught that Christ’s apostles were foreshadowed by the twelve stones “set up for the ark of the covenant.” “To him will appertain the event in whom is discovered the preparation for the same” (Tertullian, Against Marcion, Book IV, chapter 13). The twelve stones erected for the Ark thus prepared, by way of type, for the twelve apostles selected by Christ.

Elsewhere, Tertullian mentions that “the ark of the testament,” along with the tabernacle, altar and candlestick “were figures of us (for we are temples of God, and altars, and lights, and sacred vessels)” (Tertullian, De Corona, chapter 9).

Hippolytus of Rome (170 – 235 A.D) 

The Ark of the New Covenant, according to Hippolytus (disciple of Irenæus) was Jesus Christ Himself, the imperishable wood of the Ark signifying His body:

And, moreover, the ark made of imperishable wood was the Saviour Himself. For by this was signified the imperishable and incorruptible tabernacle of (the Lord) Himself, which gendered no corruption of sin. For the sinner, indeed, makes this confession: ‘My wounds stank, and were corrupt, because of my foolishness.’ But the Lord was without sin, made of imperishable wood, as regards His humanity; that is, of the virgin and the Holy Ghost inwardly, and outwardly of the word of God, like an ark overlaid with purest gold. (Hippolytus, Fragments, On the Psalms, Oration on ‘The Lord is My Shepherd’)

And that the Saviour appeared in the world, bearing the imperishable ark, His own body… (Hippolytus, Fragments, of the visions of Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar, 6).

Victorinus (270 – 310 A.D.)

When Victorinus interpreted Revelation 11:19, instead of seeing Mary’s assumption prefigured by the Ark in the heavenly temple (as Roman Catholics do), he saw instead the contents of that Ark to be the preaching of the Gospel and Christ’s ministry of reconciliation. Here he implies that Christ Himself was the new Ark, for it contained the gifts “that came with Him”:

“And there was seen in His temple the ark of the Lord’s testament.” The preaching of the Gospel and the forgiveness of sins, and all the gifts whatever that came with Him, he says, appeared therein.” (Victorinus, Commentary on the Apocalypse, from the eleventh chapter)

Gregory Nazianzen (329 – 390 A.D.)

Gregory taught that when Christ was conceived in Mary, the Ark had finally arrived, or come to rest, which makes the Ark to signify Christ’s body, rather than Mary’s:

Now then I pray you accept His Conception, and leap before Him; if not like John from the womb, [Luke 1:41] yet like David, because of the resting of the Ark. (Gregory Nazianzen, Oration 38, On the Theophany, paragraph 17).

Ambrose (340 – 397 A.D.)

Ambrose uses the image of David dancing before the Ark as a figure for the way we should honor Christ:

But the dancing is commended which David practiced before the ark of God. For everything is seemly which is done for religion, so that we need be ashamed of no service which tends to the worship and honouring of Christ. (Ambrose, On Repentance, Book II, chapter 42)

John Chrysostom (349 – 407 A.D.)

Lamenting the sin of Theodore, Chrysostom has Christ signified by the Ark within the “temple” of Theodore’s soul:

in proportion as the pledges deposited in your soul were far more precious than those. This temple is holier than that; for it glistened not with gold and silver, but with the grace of the Spirit, and in place of the ark and the cherubim, it had Christ, and His Father, and the Paraclete seated within. (Chrysostom, Two Exhortations to Theodore After His Fall, Letter I, paragraph 1)

John Cassian (360 – 435 AD)

Cassian uses the figure of the Ark to refer to the heart of the Christian who meditates on the Scripture:

Next you must by all means strive to get rid of all anxiety and worldly thoughts, and give yourself over assiduously or rather continuously, to sacred reading, until continual meditation fills your heart, and fashions you so to speak after its own likeness, making of it, in a way, an ark of the testimony, [Hebrews 9:4-5] which has within it two tables of stone, i.e., the constant assurance of the two testaments; and a golden pot, i.e., a pure and undefiled memory which preserves by a constant tenacity the manna stored up in it, i.e., the enduring and heavenly sweetness of the spiritual sense and the bread of angels; moreover also the rod of Aaron, i.e., the saving standard of Jesus Christ our true High Priest, that ever buds with the freshness of immortal memory. (John Cassian, Conferences, Conference 14, chapter 10)

Theodoret of Cyrrhus (393 – 458 A.D.)

In his Dialogues, citing Hippolytus authoritatively, Theodoret indicates that the Ark foreshadowed Christ:

Testimony of the Holy Hippolytus, Bishop and Martyr, from his discourse on The Lord is my Shepherd: “An ark of incorruptible wood was the Saviour Himself, for the incorruptibility and indestructibility of His Tabernacle signified its producing no corruption of sin.” (Theodoret, Dialogues, Dialogue 1)

Cyril of Alexandria (412 – 444 A.D.)

Cyril states plainly that the ark signifies Christ:

The ark then, Pallas, I feel, is the image and symbol of Christ.”(Cyril of Alexandria, de Adoratione in Spiritu et Veritate, Book 9 (Migne, Patrologia Graeca, 68, col. 597-598)

Emmanuel, God-with-us, is presented in figure and image when scripture says: “And you will place the ark of the testimony in the tabernacle and cover it with the veil.” [Exodus 40:3] …  Then even the ark itself was a symbol of him. (Cyril of Alexandria, In Joannis Evangelium, Book IV, (Migne, P.G. 73, col. 619-622))

Pope Gregory the Great (540 – 604 A.D.)

To Gregory, the plain significance of the Ark was the teaching ministry of the Church:

Gentleness … mingled with severity … is well signified by that ark of the tabernacle, in which, together with the tables, there as a rod and manna; because, if with knowledge of sacred Scripture in the good ruler’s breast there is the rod of constraint, there should be also the manna of sweetness. (Gregory the Great, Pastoral Rule, Book II, chapter 6)

What but the holy Church is figured by the ark? To which four rings of gold in the four corners are ordered to be adjoined, because, in that it is thus extended towards the four quarters of the globe, it is declared undoubtedly to be equipped for journeying with the four books of the holy Gospel. (Gregory the Great, Pastoral Rule, Book II, chapter 11)

For what is the priestly heart but the ark of the covenant? And since spiritual doctrine retains its vigour therein, without doubt the tables of the law are lying in it. (Gregory the Great, Register of Letters, Book VIII, Letter 30)

They did not Believe Mary was the Mother of God

Theotokos

Θεοτόκος (theotokos) derives from two Greek words, Θεός (Theos), referring to “God,” and τόκος (tokos), meaning “bearer.” When combined, they form a word that is translated literally as “Godbearer,” a title we unashamedly assign to Mary insofar as she bore God in her womb and carried Him about. Wheresoever Mary went while pregnant with Jesus, whether to the hill country to visit Elizabeth, or to Bethlehem for the census, she carried God within her. And in those tiresome moments when Mary needed to rest from her maternal labors and Joseph took Jesus in his arms, he, too, bore God and was, by implication, another Theotokos, God-bearer. If Roman Catholicism had taken it only that far, we would have no issue, but they pile much more meaning upon the term than honest etymology can support. We notice immediately that the term lacks the requisite Greek μητέρα (mitéra) for “mother” by which it would be possible to construct the term the Roman Catholic apologist desperately seeks: Μητέρα του Θεού, “Mother of God.” Lacking the actual term in Greek, the ambitious Roman Catholic simply renders Θεοτόκος into English as if it meant “Mother of God.” It does not.

Desperate for ancient evidence of his folly, the Roman Catholic apologist seeks to find proof where it does not exist. Apologists will appeal to Irenæus who wrote that Mary, “by an angelic communication, receive[d] the glad tidings that she should bear God (portaret Deum), being obedient to His word” (Against Heresies, Book V.19.1, Migne PG VII, 1175). It is likely Irenæus had used some variant of Theotokos in his native Greek, but that Greek original is lost to us. While the extant Latin translation is wholly unreliable and inaccurate, it is nevertheless interesting to us that Irenæus’ words here — portaret Deum — on the off chance the Latin translator got it right, simply mean what Protestants already are willing to stipulate: that Mary received the good tidings that she would be the Theotokos, the God-bearer. Of course she would bear God in her womb. That was the whole point of the Annunciation.

Other attempts to find “Mother of God” in the ancient texts are even more fruitless. Hippolytus, ostensibly dated to 217 AD, is alleged to have written that the prophets foresaw “the advent of God in the flesh to the world, His advent by the spotless and God-bearing Mary (Θεοτόκου Μαρίας).” (Pseudo-Hippolytus, Discourse on the End of the World, 1; Migne, P.G. X, 905). However, the work is known to be spurious, a late seventh century product of a “pseudo” Hippolytus who had adapted the real Hippolytus’ Discourse On Antichrist. It is hardly evidence of an early use of the term, and we need not pursue it any further.

Gregory Thaumaturgus (262 AD) is alleged to have used the term Mother of God in his First Homily in which he wrote,

For Luke, in the inspired Gospel narratives, delivers a testimony not to Joseph only, but also to Mary the mother of God (Θεοτόκω Μαρία).(First Homily; Migne, P.G. X, 1153)

However, even Roman Catholic scholars concede that the citation from “Gregory” is “of doubtful genuineness.” (Livius, Thomas, The Blessed Virgin in the Fathers of the First Six Centuries, Livius, Thomas, The Blessed Virgin in the Fathers of the First Six Centuries, p. 48n.)

Alexander of Alexandria (324 AD)

According to esteemed Roman Catholic Mariologist, Michael O’Carroll, the “first certain literary use of the title,” Theotokos, does not occur until 324 AD in a letter from Alexander of Alexandria to Alexander of Constantinople (Theotokos: A Theological Encyclopedia of the Blessed Virgin Mary, p. 342.). Remarkably, this first “certain literary use” of Theotokos, instead of supporting the Roman Catholic interpretation actually supports the Protestant position.

Alexander had used the term in order to distinguish between Jesus’ divine generation from His Father, and His physical generation from His mother. Of His divine generation by His Father, he wrote,

…the nature of rational beings cannot receive the knowledge of His divine generation (Θεογονίας, Theogonias) by the Father. (To Alexander of Constantinople, P.G. XVIII, 565)

Continuing in the same paragraph, Alexander then turned to a discussion on the body Jesus received from Mary. Now speaking of His physical generation from His Mother, the term Θεοτόκου (Theotokou) applies, a term describing Jesus—already God—”wearing” a physical body received from Mary in human gestation:

… we know of the resurrection of the dead, the first-fruits of which was our Lord Jesus Christ, who in very deed, and not in appearance merely, carried (lit. wore) a body, of Mary the Godbearer (Θεοτόκου, Theotokou) … (To Alexander of Constantinople, P.G. XVIII, 568)

When speaking of His divine generation, Alexander used a progenitive root: “-gonias.” When speaking of His human generation, he used a term that lacks that progenitive root. The fact that the “first certain literary use of” Theotokos is found in Alexander’s attempt to differentiate between Jesus’ human generation from His mother (Theotokou) and His divine generation from His Father (Theogonias) indicates conclusively that in its original use, the term could not possibly have meant what Rome claims: “Mother of God.”

There was a term for His Divine Generation, and Theotokos was not it. There was a term for Mary’s participation, and “Mother of God” was not it. In its quest for a term to capture Mary’s role succinctly, the early writers refrained from using such a term as Θεογεννήτωρ (Theogennetor, divine generator) to refer to Mary, settling instead on a more appropriate title for her: God-bearer. We note, along with Alexander, other men of that century — Lactantius, Athanasius, Augustine and Ambrose — struck a similarly reasonable chord in their attempts to distinguish between Jesus’ two generations. Insofar as He is God He has no mother. In His Divine Generation He was motherless. Such sentiments allow no quarter for “Mother of God.”

Lactantius (250-325 AD)

For in His first nativity, which was spiritual, He was “motherless,” because He was begotten by God the Father alone, without the office of a mother. But in His second, which was in the flesh, He was born of a virgin’s womb without the office of a father … . (Lactantius, Divine Institutes, Book IV, ch. 13)

Athanasius of Alexandria (c. 356 AD)

Now the scope and character of Holy Scripture, as we have often said, is this,—it contains a double account of the Saviour; that He was ever God, and is the Son, being the Father’s Word and Radiance and Wisdom; and that afterwards for us He took flesh of a Virgin, Mary Bearer of God (θεοτοκου), and was made man. (Athanasius, Discourse III against the Arians, 29)

Gregory Nazianzen (325 – 390 AD)

He that was without Mother becomes without Father (without Mother of His former state [as God], without Father of His second [as Man]). (Orations, 38.2)

Augustine of Hippo (354 – 430 AD)

He was in an extraordinary manner begotten of the Father without a mother, born of a mother without a father; without a mother He was God, without a father He was man; without a mother before all time, without a father in the end of times. … Our Lord Jesus Christ was both God and man. According as He was God, He had not a mother; according as He was man, He had. She was the mother, then, of His flesh, of His humanity, of the weakness which for our sakes He took upon Him. (Augustine, Tractates on the Gospel of John, 8.8-9)

Ambrose of Milan (396 AD)

Who in His Divine Generation had no mother, was in His Birth of the Virgin Mary without a father; begotten before the ages of the Father alone, born in this age of the Virgin alone. (Ambrose, Epistle 63)

It is notable how careful these early writers were to distinguish between His progenitor in relation to His divinity and His progenitrix in relation to His humanity.  The term Theotokos was used to establish and maintain that bright line distinction.

Nevertheless, at the end of the fourth century “theotokos” began to be translated into Latin as “Mater Dei” (Mother of God) or “Dei Genitrix” (Generatress of God) the very construct Alexander of Alexandria had so carefully avoided in his formulations in 324 AD. By the late fourth century, “St. Ambrose first used the title Mater Dei in the West” and after the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD, “Dei Genitrix would become widespread” as well (O’Carroll, 127, 258). What is missing in the three centuries after the apostles, however, is any use of Mater Dei or Dei Genitrix or its Greek equivalent, Μητέρα του Θεού, “Mother of God” to describe Mary. For three centuries Christians had carefully avoided any suggestion that Mary was “God’s Mother,” and when they did settle on a term to describe her role in His incarnation, they selected Theotokos, a term that was understood in the same way Protestants understand it today: God-bearer.

They did not Believe in the Assumption of Mary

According to Pope Pius XII (1950), “the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory” (Munificentissimus Deus, 44). Since the wages of sin is death and corruption in the grave, and Mary had been conceived immaculately, there was no reason to think she had suffered the consequences of sin—pain in childbirth or corruption in the grave. This, he insisted, had been taught since the earliest days of the church (p. 16).

And yet the earliest evidence for such a claim dates to 375 AD. Ephiphanæus reasoned that if Mary was sinless, her Assumption just made sense:

How can the holy Mary not inherit the kingdom of heaven, flesh and all, when she did not commit fornication or uncleanness or adultery or do any of the intolerable deeds of the flesh, but remained undefiled? (Epiphanæus, Panarion, 42:12)

This, according to Rome, from the late 4th century, is what passes as “ancient apostolic evidence” for her doctrines. And yet, as we have seen, her sinlessness, her perpetual virginity and her painless childbirth were unknown in the early Church. So too, was her Assumption.

We visit this topic on Mother’s Day first of all because the problem of Mary is typically the last stumbling block to fall in a Protestant’s gradual slide into Mariolatry. They are ill-equipped to resist the sweeping claims of the apologist. As we have found through years of experience, the naïve, the gullible and the ignorant are typically unaware of the fact that the Roman Catholic apologist is lying when he says he has “two thousand years of tradition” on his side, and that the ancient Church was “unanimous” in their veneration of Mary.

If a Protestant is earnestly inclined to show honor to Mary, there is no better place to start than with the truth, something the ancient Church truly embraced: Mary was a sinner in need of salvation, and Jesus died for her sins on the cross. That is to truly honor her. The fictitious Mary of Rome’s inexhaustible imagination is not only foreign to the Scriptures but was unknown to the early Church. The monstrosity they have constructed as a substitute for Jesus’ mother did not appear in Patristic writings and popular teachings until late in the 4th century, 300 years too late to be an Apostolic teaching.

We of course desire to honor Mary appropriately, and so we speak the truth about her. Any Christian who has ever entertained the implications of the Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32) and sung the words of Amazing Grace, can hardly object that the saved sinner “was dead, and is alive again; … was lost, and is found,” thankful, like the harlot of Luke 7:38, that the Lord had “saved a wretch like me.” Unless we are to consign Mary to the realm of the Pharisees who “loveth little” because they were forgiven little (Luke 7:47), we rather believe that like that harlot, Mary “loved much” because she was forgiven much. It will therefore be delightful to stand in glory next to sinful wretches of all stripes—Mary herself among them—when we finally worship together the God Who saved us from all our sins. A pathetic, sinful wretch knows how much she needs a Savior, as Mary certainly did. The Lord is delighted to receive praises from those He has saved, and Mary will be as thankful as the rest of us that her many sins were washed away.

And if the reader is inclined to honor his own mother on this Mothers Day of 2023, perhaps he can begin by practicing this terse response to the Roman Catholic Mariolater who claims to have two thousand years and all the ancient writers on his side:

“My mamma didn’t raise no fool.”

Post Script:

As evidence of the scholastic bankruptcy in Rome, we offer exhibit A: A Catholic Answers email (5/17/23) called “False Assumptions About the Assumption”. Notice that the first Church Father they can come up with is Epiphanius’ Panarion (which they date to 350 AD, but academia places in 375 AD). And second, remember that the foundational argument for the Assumption is Mary’s sinlessness, and the lack of labor pangs. “It was fitting that she, who had kept her virginity intact in childbirth, should keep her own body free from all corruption even after death.” (Pius XII, Munificentissimus Deus, 21). Without those, the Assumption cannot possibly follow.

As we note in this article, Tertullian, Origen, Eusebius, Basil, Hilary, Chrysostom and even Jerome (383 AD) all affirmed either her sinfulness or her labor pangs, or both. There can be no Assumption if Mary was sinful or had pain in childbirth.

How does “Catholic Answers” respond to this trove of evidence against the Assumption and dearth of evidence in its favor? By claiming falsely that nobody was against it, and therefore there was no reason for anybody to argue for it!

“…why didn’t the earliest Church Father address the Assumption? … Because the doctrine wasn’t being attacked, it didn’t need to be defended.”

That is absolutely a lie. The full email from Catholic Answer is below:

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False Assumptions About the Assumption

One question we often get about the Assumption is, “Which of the Church Fathers for the first five centuries taught and believed in the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary?”

Let’s take a look at some the evidence available, including the testimony of the Fathers.

There is solid historical evidence that the early Church believed in the Blessed Mother’s Assumption. For example, though there are two tombs associated with Mary in Jerusalem and Ephesus, respectively (two places that she lived), there is no testimony regarding her postmortem body and related relics. This is striking, because Jesus had no greater disciple than his Mother and yet, unlike other saints of the early Church, including St. Peter, there is zero historical evidence regarding relics of Mary.

This absence of relics in particular and the Blessed Mother’s body in general illustrates the early Church believed Mary was indeed assumed into heaven, body and soul.

In St. Epiphanius’ classic Panarion (“bread box”) or Refutation of All Heresies, written about AD 350, this early Church Father affirms belief in the Assumption:

Like the bodies of the saints, however, she has been held in honor for her character and understanding. And if I should say anything more in her praise, she is like Elijah, who was virgin from his mother’s womb, always remained so, and was taken up, but has not seen death (Panarion 79).

“St. Epiphanius clearly indicates his personal agreement with the idea that Mary was assumed into heaven without ever having died,” notes Tim Staples, Senior Apologist at Catholic Answers. “He will elsewhere clarify the fact that he is not certain, and no one is, at least not definitively so, about whether or not she died. But he never says the same about the Assumption itself. That did not seem to be in doubt. By comparing her to Elijah he indicates that she was taken up bodily just as the Church continues to teach 1,600 years later”.

However, why didn’t the earliest Church Father address the Assumption? Tim notes this teaching wasn’t an issue for them.

Because the doctrine wasn’t being attacked, it didn’t need to be defended.

30 thoughts on “The Mother of My Lord”

  1. Once again, excellent work!

    It makes sense to understand Jesus—as opposed to Mary—as the new Ark of the Covenant, given that He “tabernacled” (ε͗σκήνωσεν) among us (John 1:14)

    To retain the integrity of His Person and stay free of any ‘Nestorian’ misunderstandings, plus alleviate any possible confusion, I propose that theanthropotokos would have been a much better term than theotokos at Chalcedon, etc.

    1. Yes, according to Exodus 25:10-22 the Ark was built as a place for God to meet with His people: “there I will meet with you … I will speak with you.” That is what Jesus did when He tabernacled Himself among us. “The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: … But Christ being come ….” (Hebrews 7:8-11)

  2. So concise and Accurate Tim, and the irony is as recent as Pope Paul 2 who at his dying commited the whole church into the hands of Mary and had sewn into his vestments a slogan of his utter love and devotion to Mary. In Rome God is a tough guy and transcendant, and Jesus hes tough too, so they go to Mary who is soft understanding merciful etc. and then she goes to Jesus softens him up etc. The Marian ego is certainly balloned even more. I enjoyed the article Tim. This is a church whose current pope is deciding aprooval on a Connecticut priest’s miracle notice of multiplying gods in the host container. Our herts should break for these people who are lost in a false Christianity. K

    1. Thank you, Kevin. It is indeed unfortunate that so many ill-informed Protestants fall for the lie.

  3. Tim, i was curious how the Roman Catholic religion arrived at the fact that Mary was the Ark of the New Covenant? I was thinking about this and Mary for all intents and purposes is the savior for Roman Catholics. So its not just about the Marian ego, its about they are basically saying she is God. Shes sinless at birth ( really infering she was sinless. Her body was assumed ( really asserting in the place of Jesus) she hears prayers, she gives grace, shes mediatrix. About 2 years ago Debbie had sent us a Christmas gift a recording of her whole family praying to Mary, including the little grandchildren. Im not sure the vulnerable Protestant quite understands that Mary is the savior in Roman Catholicism. Or as you say ” ill informed”. Its a serious thing to pray to Mary and be deceived. Mary hasnt heard a prayer since the day she died. J c Ryle was right on when he said Roman Catholicism is just one organized idolatry. K

    1. I cover a lot of that here: https://www.whitehorseblog.com/2015/06/21/searching-for-the-lost-ark/

      Basically, if she was sinless, then no consequences for sin. No childbirth pangs, no corruption in the grave. If that’s the case, then she could not have decomposed, and thus, she must have been taken to heaven. Thus, “Arise, O LORD, into thy rest; thou, and the ark of thy strength” (Psalm 132:8) is taken to speak of her, since Jesus ascended to Heaven and sat down (to rest). She followed after Him. Therefore she must be the Ark. etc… etc…

  4. As evidence of the scholastic bankruptcy in Rome, I offer exhibit A: A Catholic Answers email called “False Assumptions About the Assumption”. Notice that the first Church Father they can come up with is Epiphanius’ Panarion (which they date to 350 AD, but academia places in 375 AD). And second, remember that the foundational argument for the Assumption is Mary’s sinlessness, and the lack of labor pangs. “It was fitting that she, who had kept her virginity intact in childbirth, should keep her own body free from all corruption even after death.” (Pius XII, Munificentissimus Deus, 21). Without those, the Assumption cannot possibly follow.

    As we note in this article, Tertullian, Origen, Eusebius, Basil, Hilary, Chrysostom and even Jerome (383 AD) all affirmed her sinfulness or her labor pangs, or both. There can be no Assumption if Mary was sinful or had pain in childbirth.

    How does “Catholic Answers” respond to this trove of evidence against the Assumption? By claiming that nobody was against it, so nobody had to argue for it!

    “why didn’t the earliest Church Father address the Assumption? … Because the doctrine wasn’t being attacked, it didn’t need to be defended.”

    That is absolutely a lie. The full email from Catholic Answer is below:

    ———————————–
    False Assumptions About the Assumption

    One question we often get about the Assumption is, “Which of the Church Fathers for the first five centuries taught and believed in the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary?”

    Let’s take a look at some the evidence available, including the testimony of the Fathers.

    There is solid historical evidence that the early Church believed in the Blessed Mother’s Assumption. For example, though there are two tombs associated with Mary in Jerusalem and Ephesus, respectively (two places that she lived), there is no testimony regarding her postmortem body and related relics. This is striking, because Jesus had no greater disciple than his Mother and yet, unlike other saints of the early Church, including St. Peter, there is zero historical evidence regarding relics of Mary.

    This absence of relics in particular and the Blessed Mother’s body in general illustrates the early Church believed Mary was indeed assumed into heaven, body and soul.

    In St. Epiphanius’ classic Panarion (“bread box”) or Refutation of All Heresies, written about AD 350, this early Church Father affirms belief in the Assumption:

    Like the bodies of the saints, however, she has been held in honor for her character and understanding. And if I should say anything more in her praise, she is like Elijah, who was virgin from his mother’s womb, always remained so, and was taken up, but has not seen death (Panarion 79).

    “St. Epiphanius clearly indicates his personal agreement with the idea that Mary was assumed into heaven without ever having died,” notes Tim Staples, Senior Apologist at Catholic Answers. “He will elsewhere clarify the fact that he is not certain, and no one is, at least not definitively so, about whether or not she died. But he never says the same about the Assumption itself. That did not seem to be in doubt. By comparing her to Elijah he indicates that she was taken up bodily just as the Church continues to teach 1,600 years later”.

    However, why didn’t the earliest Church Father address the Assumption? Tim notes this teaching wasn’t an issue for them.

    Because the doctrine wasn’t being attacked, it didn’t need to be defended.

  5. ” by saying no one was against it, so nobody had to argue for it” the irony is you just documented many of those against the basis for her assumption which is just ignored. Tim said ” thi is absolutely a lie” directly from the RC father” you’ve had a unique view of this with your research , establishing their lie about the RC Eucharist, their lie about primacy and how it was established and so on. Mary is certainly at the top of the hierarchy of their church fully worthy of worship. Isaiah 42:8 my glory i share with no one says the Lord. RC truly a human institution a front for the kingdom of Satan who is father of lies.

  6. Tim, this blog was tremendously helpful to me when I was in a time of being tempted towards Romanism. The gaudy, shallow, and irreverent nonsense that characterizes so much of evangelicalism today leaves a tremendous vacuum in the believer’s heart for real transcendence and holiness (that Otherness that is characteristic of God). To my shame, not being familiar enough with the Scriptures, I was genuinely flirting with the idea of converting because of Rome’s penchant for pageantry and tradition, as it seemed better than the rock band sets and casual manner of most non-liturgical churches.

    I had ome major hangup (that I knew of at the time) and that was what seemed to be the painfully obvious idolatry of Mary. The whole “hyper-dulia not latria!” thing was unconvincing as it is clear that it is just a distinction without a difference. In doing more research on that and particularly the Marian apparitions, which I was already suspicious about, I found your blog, and have never for a second since thought about joining the Roman church again. Still not satisfied with the mode of worship at my current church, but the Word is faithfully preached every Sunday, and that is a far sight better than the alternative in the Roman mass… My wife and I are now deep into biblical discernment, which focuses more on the wretched state of evangelicalism in the West today. I am convinced we don’t need “revival” but rather a new reformation.

    I just wanted to say thank you for your work here as it has helped ground a lot of things for me in terms of the Scriptures and church history. I have noted with some dismay that your posts here are infrequent of late. Is there some other work of yours that you publish that you are putting out there regularly?

    1. Thank you, Travis,

      The last two years have been especially difficult and allowed very little time to pursue research and writing. Difficult from a time management perspective.

      In addition to my family and work responsibilities, I spent considerable time collaborating on a new book, A Gospel Contrary!, now available at Amazon.com

      That took up a tremendous amount of my time. I’m planning on more regular posts here now that the book is compete. I’m working on the next book (The Great Eucharist Conspiracy), but that will not be nearly so time consuming as the previous was.

      Thanks so much for your note. I’m glad this information has been helpful to you.

      1. Timothy,

        While I prefer your written posts for their accessibility, will you also be doing more ThornCrown Network podcasts?

        Do you have a publication date estimate for your next book?

        Peace,
        DR

        1. I do plan to continue the ThornCrown network podcasts soon. I expect that The Great Eucharist Conspiracy can be published by this time next year. Hopefully even sooner.

          Thanks,

          Tim

    2. Travis, I understand your desire for transcendence and holiness having been just where you are. What to look for is a church which follows the regulative principle of worship. These churches are committed to worshipservices that incorporate what the Scriptures call for and nothing more. They are typically much more reverent and meaningful.

  7. Tim, just ordered 3 of them and probably will order 10 more tomorrow. Im giving them to every RC i know. K

  8. You’re welcome Tim, thank you for doing the hard work k i see you have another article coming fast and furious. Ive got my afternoon read. K

  9. Dear Tim,

    i would like to believe what you wrote that Jerom wrote Against Helvidius in par. 20

    By searching internet it seems for me to hard to decide and understand what the context means.

    https://www.amm.org/faq/Virgin.aspx

    My intuition says: the RCC is wrong. But …

    1. Marcus,

      The quote from Association of the Miraculous Medal is inaccurate. They wrote,

      “Early Christian writers agreed that Jesus had no blood brothers and sisters and that Mary remained a virgin. St. Jerome (345-420) wrote that ‘Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr and all the other learned men going back to apostolic times’ testified to the perpetual virginity of Mary.”

      That’s not true, and that’s not what Jerome was claiming. Jerome said “the brethren of the Lord not as being sons of Mary, but brethren in the sense I have explained, that is to say, brethren in point of kinship not by nature.” (Against Helvidius, 19). Then he cites “Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr and all the other learned men going back to apostolic times” as agreeing with that particular position:

      “Might I not array against you the whole series of ancient writers? Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenæus, Justin Martyr, and many other apostolic and eloquent men, who against Ebion, Theodotus of Byzantium, and Valentinus, held these same views.” (Against Helvidius, 20).

      The statement is a lie. In his dissertation on The Brethren of the Lord, J. B. Lightfoot observed that Jerome was not correct, and his theory on the brethren of the Lord was new. There is absolutely no evidence that any of those men held Jerome’s view:

      “Such was the state of opinion, when towards the close of the fourth century Jerome struck out a novel hypothesis … in which he put forward his own view. He maintained that the Lord’s brethren were his cousins after the flesh, being sons of Mary the wife of Alphaeus and sister of the Virgin. Thus, as he boasted, he asserted the virginity not of Mary only, but of Joseph also.” (Lightfoot, J. B. St. Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians, a Revised Text (Andover: Warren F. Draper, Publisher (1870)), 89.)

      So, no, “Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr and all the other learned men going back to apostolic times” did not attest to the perpetual virginity of Mary, and Jerome’s claim that they all agreed with him on the brethren of the Lord is just a lie.

      Indeed, until 383 AD Jerome believed that Jesus’ birth had been natural and that Mary’s physical virginity was not preserved in childbirth. He did not change that position until 393 AD in Epistle 48 to Pammachius.

      So in sum: Until 383 even Jerome thought Mary lost her virginity in childbirth, and when he said everyone else agreed with him on “the brethren of the Lord,” he was lying. His theory on Jesus’ brethren was unheard of before him. Such are the novel and shifting sands of Rome, and the unsturdy houses the various apologetics ministries attempt to build upon them.

    2. intuition is fallible while the Scriptures are infallible. The idea that Mary was sinless is refuted by Mary’s own words in Lk 1:47 when she mentioned the Lord as her Savior. If she was sinless why did she need a Savior. Also the idea that she was ever virgin is refuted by Matt 1;25 The words “consummate their marriage” means Joseph and Mary had intercourse after the birth of Jesus which supports the idea that Joseph & Mary had children according to Mk 6:3 & Matt 12: 46-47.

  10. Dear Timothy,

    Thank you for your time and irenic patience to explain.

    Yes, if Jesus was not born from a young woman (Mary / Myriam) pregnant by His Father,
    and if it was not a painfull birth for mother and baby
    we could with the sects of the beginning doubt and not accept that The Word became flesh.

    Mary was the Jesus bearer. Jesus the Son of His Father in heaven.
    So we are really by His dead and resurrection also sons and daughters of Abba.
    And Mary as a believer is our sister.

  11. A priest has written down some points for Mary’s permanent virginity =>

    1) brothers could be related in Judaism
    2) During Jerusalem Pilgrimage at the age of 12, no brothers sisters are mentioned by Joseph and Mary
    3) Jesus gave Mary to John from the cross
    4) Hieronymus legitimately changed his mind about Mary’s virginity
    5) Mary had taken a vow of celibacy when she says to the Angel: “I do not know a man”
    Luke 1: 34But Mary said to the angel, ‘How shall this be, since I have not known a man?’ 35Then the angel answered her, “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: therefore also that which shall be born shall be called holy, Son of God.”

    6) why would virginity have remained intact at conception but not at birth?
    7) Ezek 44:1-3
    8) Father of the church did believe in it
    9) mystics believed it.

    1. Thanks, Marcus. None of those arguments work.

      1) brothers could be related in Judaism

      But when one or both parents are listed along with them, “brethren” means children from those parents. Every mention of Jesus’ brethren in the Scriptures includes one or both of Jesus’ parents.

      2) During Jerusalem Pilgrimage at the age of 12, no brothers sisters are mentioned by Joseph and Mary

      Zebedee was not named when James and John were called in Luke 5:11. But he was clearly there (Matthew 4:21-22). Zebedee’s and James’ and John’s hired servants were not listed when James and John were called in Matthew 4:21-22, but they were clearly there (Mark 1:20). Just because someone is not listed does not mean they were not there.

      3) Jesus gave Mary to John from the cross

      But in doing so, Jesus also gave John to Mary for Mary to be His mother. And yet John’s mother was standing just a few feet away (Matthew 27:56). If giving Mary to John didn’t mean John had no other mother, then giving John to Mary doesn’t mean Mary had no other children.

      4) Hieronymus legitimately changed his mind about Mary’s virginity

      But 10 years earlier he agreed that Jesus’ birth had been perfectly natural: “the sickness, the delivery, the blood” (Against Helvidius, 20). For some reason, he thought that was a given and didn’t even bother defending her virginity in partu.

      5) Mary had taken a vow of celibacy when she says to the Angel: “I do not know a man”
      Luke 1: 34But Mary said to the angel, ‘How shall this be, since I have not known a man?’ 35Then the angel answered her, “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: therefore also that which shall be born shall be called holy, Son of God.”

      There is no vow of celibacy here. That’s completely made up.

      6) why would virginity have remained intact at conception but not at birth?

      Because the third Person of the Trinity, Who overshadowed her, does not have flesh, but the Second Person of the Trinity, Who does have flesh, came out. Virginity in partu originated in the gnostic gospels because they believed Jesus did not have a body and therefore would not have “opened” Mary’s womb. But He does have flesh.

      7) Ezek 44:1-3

      Revelation 12:1-2

      8) Father of the church did believe in it

      There is no evidence that anyone believed in her perpetual virginity until the late 4th century. Some believed Jesus’ brethren were Joseph’s from a prior marriage but that she lost her virginity in childbirth. Some believed she remained a virgin in childbirth but that she had other children. No one believed total virginity prepartum, in partu, and post partum, until the end of the 4th century. Basil acknowledged that for Mary to lose her virginity or have other children didn’t even impact the faith once received, and therefore it was not an apostolic teaching. Had Mary consummated her marriage to Joseph and borne children to him, he wrote, it “would not have affected the teaching of our religion at all.” (Basil, Homilia in Sanctam Christi Generationem, 5.)

      9) mystics believed it.

      They believed a lot of things.

  12. Marcus I think Luke 2:7 ends all doubt. It says Jesus is her firstborn. In the jewish custom firstborn means there were other siblings.

  13. Dear Tim and Kevin, biblically sound what you both informed me. I thought it was interesting what RC priest had to twist in their minds to make their tradition fit!

  14. Hello Tim, The article was enlightening. What are your thoughts on Elizabeth’s words in Luke 1:43 “And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?”. Can this not be interpreted as Elizabeth addressing Mary as The Mother of God ?

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